Charlie just started his fourth week of pre-k this week, and wow public school is so different from daycare! There are so many pre-k activities that I had to put up a family wall calendar to keep track of everything. There is also a lot less hand-holding, and kids are expected to be pretty self-sufficient. But it has also forced us to be a lot more organized and deliberate about our family time. Here’s a glimpse into how different our lives are now that we have one child in public school and one child in daycare!
Olive likes to wear Charlie’s backpack.
C O S T
Daycare: Fixed monthly tuition with no additional costs.
Pre-K: Public school is free, but parents donate most of the extras and we’ve had to bring something into class every week (this is of course going to vary according to each school). All the classroom cleaning supplies for the year were brought in by parents the first week. The second week of school was Charlie’s snack week so we brought in a drink and snack for the kids every day. The third week was apple week and parents brought in all the apples and cooking utensils they needed. There are also regular PTA fundraising activities like movie nights. Since pre-k is free the cost is certainly much lower than that of daycare, but I must admit that I was a little surprised at all the extras parents provide, perhaps moreso because it also requires parents to invest a significant amount of time.
H O L I D A Y
Daycare: Our daycare closes for all major holidays and a month during the summer.
Pre-K: Public pre-k closes for all major holidays, almost 2 weeks over Christmas, 1 week midwinter break, 1 week spring break, half a dozen nonattendance days (when teachers are in mandatory meetings), and 2 1/2 months over the summer. We are extremely lucky to have flexibility in our schedules, but with so much time off, I really wonder how parents who work out of the home do it!
F O O D
Daycare: Daycare provides a snack at 9am, the kids eat lunch at 12pm, and they get another snack at 4pm. They don’t spoon feed the children, but they will sit beside the kids and encourage them to eat. If they don’t finish their meals at lunchtime, they are offered again at snacktime after naps. All food is refrigerated and reheated. Because Charlie and Olive tended to eat better at daycare when they were with other kids, I typically packed very big lunches.
Pre-K: All public schools in New York provide free breakfast, which is brought to the classroom at 9am in pre-k. The school lunch is brought to the classroom at 11am, and kids get an afternoon snack provided by parents at 2pm. Half the students bring their lunch, half eat the school lunch, and a couple of kids with big appetites eat both their sack lunch and the school lunch. Food has been a challenge for us because 1) lunch is so early — Charlie is not hungry by 11am since lunch is so soon after breakfast, 2) he’s not a big eater and since no one encourages him to eat, his lunches typically come back home 75% full, 3) his after school program offers a school lunch but I only recently found out how little he was eating all day — he’d been picking at his lunch at 11am and then not eating dinner until 6:30pm, at which point he was starving. Charlie does not eat the school lunches at all (I was previously told he had been) so now I pack two lunches for him — one to eat at 11am and another at 3pm during his after school program. I do miss how daycare really helped him eat, but I guess he has to grow up sometime! The school is also completely nut-free (I pack nuts almost every day for Olive).
S L E E P
Daycare: Our daycare gives 2 1/2 hour naps from 1:00 – 3:30pm. Charlie has always loved his naps and was typically the longest napper.
Pre-K: There is one hour of quiet time after lunch from 12pm – 1pm. Setting up and cleaning up the mats takes about 15 minutes, so the kids can get up to 45 minutes of sleep. This is actually the perfect length of nap for Charlie because he’s tired at bedtime now, whereas before he was napping too long at daycare and wouldn’t fall asleep until 10:30pm some nights!
A C T I V I T I E S
Daycare: Our daycare has mixed ages (1 1/2 – 3 1/2) and is play-based. So days were mostly filled with story time, alphabet practice, yoga, arts and crafts, outdoor play and free play. Although most of the kids in Charlie’s daycare went onto more education-focused preschools when they were 3, we kept Charlie at his daycare because Olive was able to be in the same class with him.
Pre-K: Charlie learns a lot in pre-k from math to science to reading to writing… lately he’s been saying, “I learn too much!” I love that they have themed weeks and focus on activities around that theme for the entire week. Last week was apple week and this week is pumpkin week. I can definitely see a difference in the quality and level of education, but they do have a dedicated pre-k playground and free play too.
H O M E W O R K
Daycare: They had no homework!
Pre-K: Charlie gets regular homework, which was a little surprising. He’s only 3 after all! He gets 5 pages of homework every Monday to be completed by Friday. His teacher also regularly gives out optional educational materials for us to do at home. For instance last week she passed out 3 booklets from the University of Chicago on doing math with pre-k students. We’ve had to schedule “education time” into our weeks now where we do homework with Charlie and read books with Olive.
P A R E N T P A R T I C I P A T I O N
Daycare: We never participated in any daycare related activities.
Pre-K: There is a teacher and an assistant teacher for 18 students, so they regularly request parent volunteers for specific activities. For instance, Mr. Bee and I went in last week to help the kids cook apples. They encourage parents to come in and do any teaching activity with the class. I don’t think my parents ever came to my elementary school! There is also always some form that’s due from field trip slips to Scholastic book order forms, and we get an email from the PTA almost every day.
O R G A N I Z A T I O N
Daycare: Our daycare was very laid back and it didn’t matter if we came in late or forgot something because they took care of everything the kids needed (help eating, going to the bathroom, an extra change of clothes, etc.). If the kids didn’t finish breakfast at home, we sent it with them to daycare and they ate it there during morning snack time. I also packed the kids’ lunches every morning because it was the last thing I wanted to do the night before after dinner.
Pre-K: Because we can’t be late, school starts earlier, and the kids go to two different places, I do as much as I can the night before. That means packing lunches, laying out the kids’ clothes, filling out forms, etc. Our mornings feel much more rushed now, and I have to plan out our days a lot more.
Q U A L I T Y T I M E
Daycare: We used to have a little bit of quality time in the mornings when both kids were in daycare. They also had later bedtimes (especially because Charlie was napping so much at daycare), so we had a lot of time with them in the evenings.
Pre-K: We’re go-go-go from the moment we wake up so we have no more quality time in the morning. Charlie is also exhausted after school and we devote a little bit of our evening time to homework some evenings, so our quality time has greatly diminished. This has made us truly appreciate our family time much more. We cherish pick up time (our favorite part of the day) and the time we spend together before the bedtime.
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So much is expected of young children nowadays, and talking to my friends with kids who started kindergarten this year, it gets much more intense! I do think about whether it is too much for kids so young, especially because both Charlie and Olive have end of the year birthdays. All I know for sure is that school is a whole new ballgame compared to when we were in kindergarten, for both children and parents!
Do you have a child that started pre-k or kindergarten this year? Were you surprised about any aspect of it?
cantaloupe / 6086 posts
can any of the teacher bees chime in on the homework for 3 year olds thing? as in, is there research or another reason why it has become so much more intense at a young age?
grape / 98 posts
I was a kindergarten teacher before becoming a SAHM and I sent “homework” nightly but, truly it was just 10-15 minutes of review from the day. It wasn’t required of kiddos but, I wanted a reminder to parents to practice things like letter sounds and math skills. Almost everything I sent home was in a game format and/or required no writing – it was simple oral review. For example – have kids find four objects in their room that start with the letter B.
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@bhbee: @Joanlindsay: they’ve sent homework home about 3 times, so only once a week so far? but they have all been written assignments that practice letter writing, sequencing, etc. i totally forgot about doing it until I saw all the other kids’ homework pinned to the bulletin board!
grapefruit / 4049 posts
We started M in kindergarten at a private school. I love it most for the small class size and community. We pay tuition (almost as much as daycare costs in a big city), but still have to fundraise/donate at least $1K/year on top of that and have to do parent volunteer hours as well… 15 hours a semester! It’s a lot, but keeps parents involved.
Homework is nightly. Math and phonics or math and handwriting, usually. We also have a target goal of reading a minimum of 400 mins/month. Overall, I say we spend about 30-40 mins of homework and reading per night. It’s a lot because we also have her in after-school activities, like swimming, choir, drama club, speech therapy and tae kwon do. We will probably cut down on 1-2 those next semester, but M wanted to do it all!
Homework is straightforward because everything she does at home, she has already been taught about in school that day. I do sit with her and basically walk her through it if she has questions. They also have math tests about every 1.5 weeks. They put cardboard around their desks so they don’t cheat and look at what their friends are doing! It’s just to get them used to the idea of taking a test and decreasing anxiety about it. But they do get graded and report cards will be sent home in a few months!
I think the biggest difference between pre-k and kinder is there is a lot less free play. Also, no nap time!
My DD had the worst appetite at school this past month. It’s better now though… I think she was just too excited about everything to eat. She even told me she didn’t like going to the bathroom because she didn’t want to miss anything! (They go to the bathroom on their own for the most part!).
blogger / eggplant / 11551 posts
Sounds so much more intense than when I was a kid… and so much more is expected of the parents. Reading this is a little overwhelming, but it’s good for me to know what to expect in the future!
cherry / 187 posts
Wow – I can’t believe how much work is required for Pre-K! Both for the kids and the adults! I’m not sure how we would (or will) manage that since as it is, on most days our daughter is in daycare for 9.5 hours/day or 11 hours/day if I have to travel and DH has to do both drop off and pick up.
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
We’re in a 3-5 classroom, so it’s like pre-K. It’s so much more intense than last year. There are field trips and on snack day, we have to make 2 snacks for up to 30 kids. It’s much more exhausting for the child and we’re expected to go over lessons that they are working on in school at home. Oh, and the Spanish immersion is much more intense than dual immersion, and we’re expected to work on that at home too. All in all, she loves it and we love it!
grapefruit / 4671 posts
It sounds so scary! Would any of the folks with experience of this post what your daily schedule now looks like?
papaya / 10560 posts
I work as an admin in an Pre-K through 5 elementary. I am surprised by the all day pre-k! It is tough to find a pre-k program here that is all day, most are 1/2 day and get out around 11 because it IS a lot for the little kiddos. There is a morning and afternoon class to pick from, either 8-1130 or 1215-3. I think this is the perfect amount of time. Our state does have guidelines for what teachers teach and what kids need to know when they leave pre-K to be ready for kinder. Homework is pretty limited to a couple times a week. They do carpet time and centers and other activities. Our parents aren’t required to do anything really other than be supportive of their child’s education because I work in a school that is 80% economically disadvantaged most parents can’t afford to take any time off work to help out at the school. Love hearing about Charlie’s pre-K experience!
cantaloupe / 6791 posts
I teach public pre-k in a program that seems very similar to Charlie’s! We give homework once a week, on Mondays and they have all week to complete it and turn it in by Friday. For us, that’s part of the parental involvement since many of our families are low income and work a lot (they can’t volunteer in the classroom because they are working).
Half of my kiddos are ESL (but many have older siblings who have taught them English so they are pretty much bilingual). We go on field trips once a month. Kids are expected to know so much even in kindergarten, so pre-k helps prepare them and give a head start to those who may fall behind (the “at risk” population).
I LOVE my job. Its extremely rewarding (and at 8 months pregnant, also exhausting
) Glad Charlie is enjoying it!!
pomelo / 5866 posts
LO has been in a 2-3 year old preschool class since she turned 2. We get the opportunity to read a new book they provide to her every night. If we don’t do it, no big deal, we just don’t get a new book until we turn in the old one. We also get a Monday homework page due on Friday. It is usually simply an alphabet letter -we decorate it and name things that start with it. It takes anywhere from 5-20 minutes a week. I totally appreciate the home-school connection. I’m a teacher and love the educational aspect of almost anything.
coffee bean / 40 posts
J started private pre-k a few months ago and i’ve been surprised at how much the parents contribute too. and it’s not even a public school! and yup, school is so much intense now than when we were growing up….it makes me kinda scared for the whole kindergarten application process.
nectarine / 2667 posts
@bhbee: There is research that says reviewing concepts at home is good for permanent learning & there are developmentally appropriate ways for 3 & 4 year olds to do that. However, when I worked in preschools, I never sent any “homework” home (although, we were a learning-through-play, constructivist preschool). As for things being “intense” at a young age, I’m assuming you mean the amount of learning and concepts children are expected to learn. That’s all politics. People at the top who are far, far away from children decided what “needs” to be taught and then portioned that out to grade levels. These days, kids “need” to know more at younger ages – but I don’t think everything that is tasked of schools is developmentally appropriate for kids
I am a little surprised to hear that parents are taken back by the amount of parent involvement that’s asked. That means your children are in a good school! If no one was ever sending me notes about experiences or asking for donations/supplies for projects, I’d be worried. If they’re not doing those things, what are they doing instead?!
cantaloupe / 6086 posts
@JoyfulKiwi: very helpful thanks!
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@JoyfulKiwi: that’s true — it is a good thing that the school is always asking parents for things!
i didn’t mean that it was a bad thing. i just meant that i was surprised because i didn’t expect that level of time commitment for pre-k, though I’m happy to do it… i’m the type of person who would volunteer for class mom.
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Bee, can you post about the application process please? We’re expecting our little one in December and our friends have already told us about the difficulties of getting into public pre-k! One couple applied to 14 schools and didn’t get into any and another applied to 3 and didn’t get anything either.
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@carol – yes i plan on posting about it! it is only applicable to new york residents, but still interesting i think!
i have friends that didn’t get in anywhere and friends that did… it all depends on how you rank the schools. the school we’re at isn’t my first choice, but i put it as my first because i knew we were likely to get a spot. it’s really complicated and you have to know which schools have slots, how popular there are, etc.
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I would love to see any links anyone has to programs or resources that their pre-ks have set them up with. We are homeschooling for preK this year and I’m still trying to pull together my tools for it. I’ve already got about 5 tabs open on that University of Chicago math program!
GOLD / apricot / 337 posts
Wow! Totally enlightening! I never realized that there was so much parent involvement!
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We’re in FL; our Pre-K is subsidized, but not entirely free (we’re only paying about $200 less a month than we were in our previous private Montesori program).
Our programs seem similar in a lot of ways Bee! I agree with the flexibility required; it’s a good thing my husband and I are also in education because the Pre-K follows the public school calendar, which means there are many days when the kids don’t have school (fortunately, for us, that usually means we also don’t have work – except for my husband on teacher workdays).
Kids don’t nap anymore in our Pre-K, though they are offered a small window of “quiet time.” Our weeks are themed, too; there is also always a letter of the week and a sight word of the week, and everything that happens that week seems to be done in conjunction with it. For example, the kids cook every Friday, and the recipe will be for something that starts with that week’s letter. Every Friday one child takes the letter bucket home and returns it on Monday filled with objects that begin with the next week’s letter, etc.
The lesson plans for the week are always posted right outside the classroom on Monday morning; the kids have one recess in the morning and one in the afternoon, and there is a lot of time for play still, but it is true that the nature of our program is academic. I think they strive for a balance…For instance, last week’s theme was community. The kids had visits from community helpers. They practiced writing their “a”ddresses (the letter of the week was “a”, the first vowel after other consonants were introduced) and drawing maps of their neighborhood. They read about fall and “a”pples and graphed quantities of them. They learned patterning in a ABB pattern and made “a”pple muffins. They also learned about before and “a”fter and practiced estimation with a barrel of “a”pples. Etc.
They also have a “special” each day of the week: they have Spanish, computers, and American Sign Language, and two days a week they also go to a special room that is all pretend play, where they “take on” jobs and work together in small groups doing things like running a veterinary clinic, working in a cafe, putting on shows on stage, etc. There are opportunities for art throughout the week, but on Tuesdays there is extra dedicated time for it.
They do accomplish a lot, I’ll say that. They’ve covered a bunch of letters so far, numbers 1-25, various sight words, scientific concepts like floating/density, etc. Wesley can now write his name and the date while properly holding a pencil, which he could not do 6 weeks ago.
Thankfully, the only “homework” we get is a sight word reader on Fridays to read over the weekend. The plan is that Wes will, next year, attend a charter school with a slightly longer day that has a “no homework” policy, which I’m all for!
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@ MrsW, you may find this website helpful:
http://www.eduplace.com/parents/prek/
blogger / pear / 1563 posts
Oh goodness! I now teach 3 year old PreK, but only for 5 hours a day 3 days a week. The kids only get 30 minutes of rest time, which is realistically only about 20 minutes.
Although I’m definitely not expecting that extra involvement or homework from my parents/students! They get that soon enough in Kindergarten!
The sad thing that I’m learning is that the state mandates SO MUCH that the kids in PreK aren’t given the flexibility they need at that age. We are actually not even allowed to help the kids AT ALL with their snacks or lunches because I have to monitor the kids VERY closely for potential choking. It’s kind of a mess.
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
Maybe bc I have nieces and nephew that are almost 10 and I was old enough to remember when they were born. But none of this is surprising to me. My niece went to a “education” daycare and regularly brought home homework and they even had “tests”! It is a little crazy.
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@ Mrs. Bee this is probably a new yorker question. but i was wondering if Charlie’s pre-k class prep them for the g&t testing? i always wonder if they actually prep the kids and would like to compare that with daycare.
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
@chrissy – no they do not prep the children for the g&t test at all because it is a completely optional test. you are not supposed to prep for the g&t test, but the reality is that most parents do by hiring private tutors.