A couple months ago our doctor dumped us. We went into the relationship thinking it was a good match, with lots of promise for a bright future. Not so much. We broke up, and it wasn’t mutual. Why did our nice, friendly pediatrics practice kick us to the curb? Vaccinations, or rather, a lack of vaccinations.
Here’s a little back-story: Mr. Tricycle had an alternative upbringing and wasn’t vaccinated (you can read more about it here). As parents and partners, there are many issues to negotiate, and in our marriage, childhood vaccinations are one of them. If I was a single parent, it’d be an easy decision – I’d follow the CDC vaccination schedule to the letter, and not think a thing about it. Happily, I’m not in this alone, which means vaccinations for the Trikester aren’t cut and dry. Mr. Tricycle isn’t necessarily 100% opposed to vaccinations, but he wasn’t ready to start administering them to a brand new baby.
Because I needed to be respectful of Mr. Tricycle’s concerns, we specifically looked for a pediatrician who was willing to use an alternative vaccination schedule. When I was pregnant, I did my due diligence and interviewed multiple doctors, asking about their stance on immunizations. We finally settled on one of the largest practices in the area with the assurance that they were flexible and able to accommodate our requests. The only “rule” was that we had to sign a paper stating that we understood the risks involved in refusing vaccinations.
Over the first four months of the Trikester’s life, we saw a variety of doctors in the practice. The vast majority of them were super flexible and accommodating; they listened and answered questions, and didn’t just shut us down by reiterating the party line about the necessity and safety of childhood immunizations. We did have one very uncomfortable experience with an aggressive doctor. The baby cried the entire appointment, and I had yet to pick up my course of antibiotics to treat mastitis round #2, so Mr. Tricycle was on his own when it came to defending our position. He got flustered under the assault, and ended up telling her that our religious views didn’t allow for vaccinations (religious views have nothing to do with his stance). It was awful and we both left the office feeling miserable.
The changes stemmed from a pending court case a few counties away where parents sued a doctors’ office for allowing unvaccinated families into the practice after their six-month-old contracted measles from an older, unvaccinated child. Because of this suit, our practice (and their lawyers), decided that allowing vaccination leeway was an unnecessary legal risk.
I can’t complain about how the doctor delivered the news; he was incredibly sympathetic and patient, but the facts were clear: the only way we would be allowed to stay with the practice was to immediately begin a catch-up vaccination schedule. He gave us a couple weeks to decide, and we went home to stew.
We talked for a few days, and although Mr. Tricycle wasn’t totally convinced, we ultimately decided to begin a catch-up vaccination schedule. I called and made the appointment, but then the next day realized the Trikester was suffering from a nasty cold, and ended up canceling it (note: most doctors agree that it’s perfectly fine to administer vaccinations when your child has a common cold – only fevers are a reason to delay immunizations). We assumed putting off the appointment wouldn’t be a problem, as we were told we’d get a “warning” letter prior to any permanent action. A few days later, while we were waiting for the baby to heal and reschedule the appointment, we received the following letter in the mail:
“Mr. and Mrs. Tricycle…[blah, blah, blah]…effective the date of this letter, we have discharged your children from our practice due to your continued noncompliance with our recommendations for preventative treatment (vaccinations).”
And that was it. We got dumped via a letter, and the relationship was over.
Since we were now without a pediatrician, we had to quickly scramble to find a new provider. I’m assuming that these kinds of policy changes will spread, so here are some tips to locating a flexible physician if you find yourself in a similar situation:
- Consider using a family practice instead of a pediatric practice. Because a family practice sees older patients who may never have been vaccinated, they are less likely to worry about the legal ramifications of alternative immunization schedules. From what I’ve learned, a family practice doctor is perfectly adequate for babies as long as they quickly refer you to specialists if there are any unusual concerns. Although Mr. Tricycle loves his family practice physician, he ultimately decided it was important that the Trikester have a pediatrician.
- When calling a practice to ask about immunization flexibility, speak directly with a doctor. We found that nurses tend to be way more “hardcore” and are less likely to entertain considerations for delayed vaccinations than the doctors themselves.
- Choose a tiny pediatric practice with only one physician. When there’s only one “boss” they have a little more leeway to bend policy or accommodate their patients. This is what worked for us. We are now working with a singleton pediatrician. Although our doctor still wants the Trikester vaccinated, she is flexible about the timeline. She understands Mr. Tricycle’s reservations, and even though she doesn’t agree with them, she’s willing to accommodate them. For example, we ultimately began a catch-up vaccination schedule at six months, and at her suggestion, we split the first course of vaccinations into two rounds administered a week apart.
So far we’re happy with the new match, although our lives would have certainly been easier if we’d picked the right partner from the start.
Did you break up with your pediatrician? Was it mutual?
hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts
We actually chose our pediatrician’s office because they don’t accept patients who don’t vaccinate. I like knowing all of the kids my daughter might interact with at her pediatrician and at her daycare are all vaccinated. I dumped a pediatrician at our practice for being stupid about breastfeeding but I found another we love there.
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I’m with MediaGirl. I would never let my child walk into a pediatrician’s office where I thought unvaccinated kids were hanging out. Good for that pedi.
coconut / 8305 posts
We were fired by our pedi too! It wasn’t due to our different views in vaccination as our pedi was always very accepting of us atleast delaying until after age two & he has other non-vax patients (we may delay indefinitely.. haven’t decided), rather a combo of a petite baby that followed a curve but was low on the CDC % charts AND the icing on the cake was us declining the routine fluoride at the 9 mth appt. We got that same letter you received a few days later b/c he didn’t understand why we “didn’t want these things” when he asked us about the fluoride.
Because of our medical community being very rigid in their vaccine policies (must vax 100% on schedule) we are STILL without a pedi & P is almost 15 mths! We’ve considered going to our PCP but honestly I don’t think they would go for it since they do have pediatrics & obgyn in their practice… I’m almost positive they’d go with the same rigid policy. I’m currently waiting for a list from a friend’s MW 2.5 hours away so we can try & find someone in a larger city that would be more open to our parenting style… even things like extended breastfeeding, delayed solids, &/or not sleep training are highly unaccepted here.
I’m glad y’all were able to easily find another provider! Hopefully here soon we’ll be making the oot track for one that fits us better too!
pear / 1571 posts
Good tips! I personally prefer family practice doctors as well, partly for this reason. Yep, I have some of those skeeeeeeery not fully vaccinated kids- I myself am not fully vaccinated.
nectarine / 2134 posts
I’m not trying to get into an argument about vaccinations, but I think there are a lot of factors going on (and I’m sure you’ve considered them all). But, sending unvaccinated children to a family practitioner as opposed to pediatrician may not solve the problem and also poses the risk of exposing immunosuppressed adults. I have a good friend who is immunosuppressed and she gets really upset when people don’t even get the flu shot because they put her at risk for contracting a disease that most of us could fight just fine, but may potentially kill her due to her other health issues.
Also, I grew up in a very liberal/progressive community where many parents did not vaccinate. We had a HUGE breakout of whooping cough a few years ago — several infants died in my state that year due to whopping cough. I am not yet a parent, but I feel strongly that I will vaccinate, just my two cents.
@runsyellowlites: I hope you find a pediatrician soon that fit well with your family and parenting style!
nectarine / 2134 posts
Also, I don’t think it’s a bad thing to bounce around doctors until you find one you love! I went through a few recently until I found someone who really listened, understood and worked with me. We are consumers of health care and should be provided with care that matches our needs, both health needs and also social-emotional/values.
coconut / 8305 posts
@NorCalWayfarer: Thanks! I’ve seriously been so disappointed by our medical community. When calling around to find pov on breastfeeding most “all were for it” till 6 mths & then “I *guess* that’s okay to continue *if* you want after that”… and a few years ago our obgyns actually protested when a wealthy man from a prominent family in town wanted to open a birthing center…they went and PROTESTED to keep them from breaking ground.
I really love where we live, but this aspect really makes me miss the city. I fully agree that the patient/doctor relationship is a consumer of health care type relationship so having so many physicians that take a “my way or the highway” stance basically revoking informed consent (well not completely since you do have the choice to not get medical help) is just horrendous to me…. I thing doctors refusing to accept or treat patients that don’t follow vax schedules to a t or other commonly accepted practices only puts those patients at risk for not getting necessary treatments when needed which will put others at risk as well. I understand the liability but still don’t agree with being forced into any type of medical treatment (regardless of specialty or treatment).. isn’t that our right as consumers/patients? It just makes me sad seeing so many parents/mommas where I live basically being forced into things or out of breastfeeding b/c it’s not accepted by their providers and them not having any. other. option. =/
coffee bean / 48 posts
I insisted on finding a singleton pedi because of that waiting room issue. I’m not too worked up about the vaccine debate… There are still icky diseases for which vaccines don’t exist, so I want to minimize the number of children my baby will be exposed to in a doctor’s office, period. It so happens that our pedi is also okay with an alternative schedule. I didn’t think we’d want it, but at baby’s 2-month appt we found out that there’s a shortage of the combo vaccine and if we stuck with the schedule she would have gotten 5 shots and an oral in one go! The pediatrician actually suggested delaying 2 of the shots until month 3. A good compromise because I’m not willing to wait on the pertussis schedule….
eggplant / 11287 posts
We chose a (very) alternate vaccination schedule as well, and luckily our pediatrician is very accommodating. In fact, she actually seems to agree with some of the “delays” we have asked for re: vaccines. We love her very much and she is super encouraging of our parenting choices.
However, when we have to see another doctor within the practice, things aren’t so pretty. One actually YELLED at me when I told him that we were waiting two months to do a certain vaccine.
Anyway, I appreciate your viewpoint and I really enjoyed reading this post!
apricot / 402 posts
Biting my lip and trying not to say too much here. Bottom line, I have seen babies on breathing machines and tubes, attempting to keep them alive. Thanks to parents who thought being “alternative” was best for their kids. Keep your foods and products organic and natural. Don’t mess with health. Bottom line.
pomegranate / 3729 posts
Thank you for sharing your experience.
blogger / apricot / 424 posts
Thank you so much for sharing your experience with all of us. I am glad that things have worked out and you have found a doctor that fits your needs
I hope things are smooth for you and your family from now on!
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After a mixed experience with a pediatric practice in out old city we found a small family medicine practice to treat all of us. I particularly like being treated as a unit with my nursing when appropriate and it has been great when we, big and little, get sick at the same time. Our practice sees lots of kids, to that knowledge is sharp.
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Yep – am on my third ped because of the same reason. My son was vaccine injured at his two month appt.. it’s a very scary/difficult decision either way, and ultimately your gut instinct as a mother is the right one.
pomegranate / 3053 posts
Sorry to hear about your experience…but I’m glad you found another pediatrician who you and your husband can work with to ensure the best possible care for Trikester. And you only need to deal with one doctor. Our kids go to a pretty large practice and, so far, we’ve been lucky that all the doctors we’ve seen have supported us on spacing out their vaccinations when I felt uncomfortable giving so many in one appointment. We try to see one doctor there but they don’t recommend it but don’t say anything to us when we only want to see her. I’m glad they are respectful. Well, my oldest likes to see a specific doctor and calls her the one with the red glasses (and puts rings around his eyes). We’ll miss her when we move…
bananas / 9118 posts
I hope your change in practitioner fits your family better.
Our pediatrician recently sent out a similar letter. She has stories from when she practiced in India and saw children die from these diseases on a regular basis. Diseases happen here too, I recently read an article about an unvaccinated little boy here in the US who got tetanus and almost died from it.
We felt the opposite when we got our letter in the mail discussing the change in policy. It made us very happy to be at a practice that follows the American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines on vaccinations.
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Stories like this really make me cringe. I’m a pediatric nurse in a very liberal and open-minded state, and I don’t think anyone whose children are unvaccinated should be allowed in public places (exaggerating a little here). And the medical community nation wide agrees (check out the AAP’s recommendations- these people are some of the most respected doctors in our nation; frankly, they know a lot more about this than any evidence-free anecdote you hear from Jenny McCarthy or a friend of a friend). When it comes to medical health, nature does not know best. Nature can kill. Hence we have developed incredibly effective preventive measures, based on research, that keep our beloved babies alive. Bottom line. It’s proven. Sure, there are risks, but do your homework! These risks are FAR outweighed by the benefits. How you choose to raise your children is up to you, but vaccinating shoukd be (and in my opinion one day will be) the law.
blogger / pear / 1563 posts
We’ve actually dumped TWO pediatricians and DS is only 13 months old! The first time we actually liked our pedi, but she was going on maternity leave and we lost our “regular” insurance coverage and vaccines would no longer be covered. So, we went to a more “sliding scale” clinic where we could get him vaccinated for free (we are actually not 100% in support of vaccines, but since we adopted him, we HAD to get him vaccinated per the agency’s guidelines and then wanted to finish up all the vaccines he started).
Anyway, that place was AWFUL. I mean, the Dr. was nice and it was clean, but the Dr. gave us SO MUCH stress about his slower growth! Our experience was very similiar to “RunsYellowLights” in that our son was growing fine on the WHO chart, but not the CDC chart and we just couldn’t keep dealing with the stress, especially when she started wanting to send us to various specialists.
All that to say, that at 12.5 months we brought him to another pediatrician (who practices in a family practice) and we now LOVE her. They do not require vaccinations, so I feel like I’m going to get more open answers when I ask about which ones are necessary and which ones aren’t. I also like that she agrees with our views on nutrition and health. I’m SO relieved we finally found someone we liked and I’m glad you did too!
Glad I’m not the only one changing pedis in the first year!
blogger / pear / 1964 posts
I hear ya all – I think vaccinations are a good thing, too!
that’s why it’s been such an interesting experience “negotiating” a compromise with DH. It was really important to us to find a pedi who could help us work through the issue – without a divorce
– so it was really depressing to have to find someone new.
blogger / pear / 1964 posts
@Mrs. Pinata: sounds stressful!! Ditto to this –> “They do not require vaccinations, so I feel like I’m going to get more open answers when I ask about which ones are necessary and which ones aren’t.”
@lemondrop: I figured many families would love the fact that the practice changed their policy — totally understandable!!
blogger / pomegranate / 3300 posts
We switched pediatric practices when we were having trouble with Our oldest’s constipation. Our regular pediatrician decided to leave and they just had substitute doctors so we saw someone different every time. It was driving me nuts. The last straw was when the doctor we were seeing said “well just keep giving him enemas every week he will be fine”. We found a new one and he gave me a written out plan to help of things to do and we have stayed with him for two years now.
It’s always good when you can find a good fit. I hope this one works well for your family for a long time!
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We are very thankful to have a “relaxed” pedi! He uses common sense, which is such a rare thing these days in doctors, in my opinion.
Best of luck to you in finding someone that will be supportive of the way you choose to parent your children!
kiwi / 511 posts
We were on a slightly delayed vaccination schedule for both of our children, one because he was adopted and didn’t get some of the vaccines in his orphanage and we didn’t want to completely bombard him. Our pedi is very cool with our plan on the catch up. For our second he was just so small (among other issues) that we did do a delayed schedule and not as many combo shots.
In both instances we did what was right for our particular children. What I liked about our pedi is that she agrees with our philosophy that the guidelines are written for the ‘average’ situation and it should not be the be all end all, but used to guide the parents and doctor and we should work as a team to deviate as appropriate for the specific child.
I do not object to vaccines on principle and I think that they are important for the herd immunity principle as well as the individual principle. There are children and adults that do not allow them to be vaccinated so having others vaccinated is really good for more than just one person.
However @KatieinVT I really disagree with your statement “but vaccinating shoukd be (and in my opinion one day will be) the law.”
I am torn on the mandatory aspect and am ok with having a certain subset of things being mandatory such as chicken pox, measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis and tetanus; things that I am a bit more leery on, hepatitis for example. Also the flu shot (but I do get them and so do my kids but I have difficulty in accepting that as needing to be mandatory).
Additionally the HPV vaccine there is something about that one that still bugs me. I am still up in the air regarding that one and am not sure it is one that I would want for my kids. I cannot put my finger on it but for now it is in the wait and see category since at 3 and 1 I don’t need to make that decision now.
Honestly if it were law then I would probably opt out entirely on religious grounds. And I think that is one of the risks that would be introduced as more and more vaccines are required. I want that option to say no this particular one is not right for my child/family, but if it is an all or nothing then I would go with the nothing.
blogger / pear / 1964 posts
@Mrs.Maven: Although I’m pro-vaccine, I hate being told I MUST do something. That’s why the erythromycin ointment for newborn eyes drives me nuts — I don’t have chlamydia or gonorrhea — so my baby doesn’t need it — but NYS law doesn’t give me a choice in the matter.
kiwi / 511 posts
I hear ya @Mrs.Tricycle…also I hated the fact that I had no risk factors but I HAD to have an HIV test while I was in labor because I declined the test during pregnancy. Grrr at least MA does not agree with the CDC and ACOG, I still don’t agree with it but it is slightly better that I had to provide consent…
“In 2006, the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) (www.acog.org ) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) (www.cdc.gov ) both recommended that HIV counseling and testing be performed routinely for ALL pregnant women, without reference to their risk profile. MDPH has consistently strongly recommended routine screening in all past advisories, and continues to do so. The ACOG and CDC recommendations further support the elimination of written consent for HIV counseling and testing of pregnant women, which is not consistent with current Massachusetts law. ”
That is from a memo from the MA Dept of Health dated Feb 2012!!
blogger / persimmon / 1398 posts
I’m still processing all the comments on vaccines but more focused on how horrible that must have felt to receive that letter. UGH. It’s so hard to navigate medical care for your children to begin with that this must have been an added blow you didn’t need. Sounds like it worked out though!
coffee bean / 41 posts
I switched ped’s only because we moved, but luckily we found an office that does sort of their own delayed schedule. But only in the sense that they don’t give more than two shots an appointment, I remember at the previous dr. I think they gave four once as well as an oral one. I chose the current dr. office because I thought their website sounded as though they were more “open” to things I guess. I looked for that mostly because I breastfed both my kids and got stupid(incorrect) comments at the previous pediatricians.