This part of the story was where things got really hard. Please bear with me as I go to a dark place. I promise the ending is much better than this part of the story!
We sat in the waiting room for a while. Our case worker went to check in with the nursing staff and they said to return at noon. She wandered off. B went to check on Mama S. Mr. Jacks and I sat in stunned silence. We were hungry, but didn’t feel like eating. There was nothing really left to say. We hadn’t yet told any family or friends what was going on, so I felt alone and empty. I felt as unsure as I had ever felt.
Finally, the neonatologist came out of the unit and called us in to his office. I quickly texted B to have him come meet us. The three of us went and sat with him. After the doctor introduced himself, he said, “I’m going to say this in basic terms so that B and Mr. Jacks understand.” Mr. Jacks spoke up and said, “Can you please say it in medical terms for us first so that Mrs. Jacks can translate for us later, because we’re not going to remember what you say. It’s all foreign to us.” B piped up to give his assent to that plan. The doctor said, “I will use plain language. I hope you don’t have a problem with that. If you have questions later, I will answer them later.”
The doctor declined to make any eye contact with me, and began to speak to B. “We put a little tube in your baby’s belly button. This is to help give the medicines that your baby needs. We put a special tube in his throat that will help him breathe using a very special machine that gives tiny puffs of air 600 times a minute. We gave him a special medicine to help his lungs.”
I waited so that I could ask my questions. What I learned in those fifteen minutes is that when providers give long-winded bad news, no matter how simply they phrase it, that almost none of what they say is understood. The only things I could have told you at this point was that the baby had one or more umbilical lines and was on a high frequency oscillator type ventilator. There was no talk of the cause of the baby’s distress and no talk about a treatment plan going forward.
At the pause in the conversation that indicated that the doctor was done, Mr. Jacks piped up and asked the first question, “so does this mean he’s on a ventilator?” This highlighted the quality of the communication we were receiving in a nutshell. I finally got up the courage to speak up. I asked the doctor if he could please explain to me whether he thought the baby was septic (having an infection that was causing his body systems to malfunction) or if there was another anatomic cardiac or pulmonary cause of the problems. His reply was, “Look. This is totally routine. This happens all the time. You just don’t see it because you don’t work in a NICU. This. Is. Routine.”
I tried to use my conflict-resolutions skills and said, “I think we all have the best interest of this baby at heart. I’m just trying to figure out how worried we need to be. I respect what you are doing for us and look forward to working with you. I am a data person and the more information I get, the more I can relax. Thank you so much for helping me with that and I’m sorry if I did anything to upset you.”
It seemed that he felt a little bad for me at this point and was ready to make a grand gesture. He said, “Look. I understand you have a knowledge base and it’s hard to give up control, but – and I tell this to my colleagues too when they have a baby in the NICU – you are the parent here. You need to relax and let us do our job. Your only job is to be a mom. The baby is in good hands.” He had framed it a little better this time, but I felt worse than ever. It seemed I knew less than what I did before the meeting. I had cemented my place as the bad guy, trouble maker, difficult patient.
We were summarily escorted out of the office and back to the waiting room. We weren’t told when we could see the baby. B went back to talk to Mama S and I sat with Mr. Jacks. My eyes welled up. The experience was completely breaking me. I was shaking, lost, scared, and hungry. When were we going to get to see this baby again???
After another hour and a half, we still hadn’t heard anything. We got in touch with the case worker and asked her to talk to the nurses to see when we could come back. They said, “You could have come back at any time.” Oh, the frustration! We took a few minutes to compose ourselves and I decided that I was going to make an effort to find something in common with this doctor, to make our connection more human and less adversarial.
After scrubbing in (NICU moms know this is the longest two minutes ever), I saw the doctor at the front desk and stopped to chat. He said, “So you are a resident up at the U, right?” I said that I was at the U as an attending. He asked where I trained and it turns out we trained at the same program, knew all the same people, and were just separated by a few years in our training. Funny how that is what it took to humanize me to him… his tone instantly softened. He then asked if I had any more questions. I said in a very tiny and defeated voice that I really didn’t, unless he had any idea of what caused this and how long we might anticipate the hospitalization to last. Finally, he gave some small bits of information. He had lab results! He had X-rays! There were actually knowable things about the baby!
I don’t want to bore you with the details, but the baby had a surfactant deficiency in his lungs. His function was improving slightly after receiving surfactant, but it was unclear what the cause of it was. It could have been that the gestational age was wrong (very unlikely), infection, or a primary lung problem. That helped to start narrowing things down. Labs were indicating that there *might* be an infection and the X-ray showed what appeared to be pneumonia, though everyone was calling it a maybe. I was feeling a tiny bit more comfortable with the interaction and so I asked if he was concerned about pulmonary hypertension. The door of congeniality slammed shut as the doctor laughed and said “no” pretty flatly. We left the desk and went to the warmer to see the baby.
Maybe we would find some solace in seeing him?
To be continued…
Mrs. Jacks’ Adoption Journey part 13 of 16
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3. You finally find peace, and... Part III by Mrs. Jacks
4. The Amazing Race by Mrs. Jacks
5. Telling the girls by Mrs. Jacks
6. Roller Coaster by Mrs. Jacks
7. The Name Game (Take 2) by Mrs. Jacks
8. Roller coaster update by Mrs. Jacks
9. Less than a week to go: checklist manifesto by Mrs. Jacks
10. Birth of a story by Mrs. Jacks
11. Birth of a story: birth parent dinner by Mrs. Jacks
12. The birth of a story: Friday the 13th by Mrs. Jacks
13. The birth of a story: Deep into darkness by Mrs. Jacks
14. The birth of a story: embracing uncertainty by Mrs. Jacks
15. The birth of a story: a new day by Mrs. Jacks
16. The birth of a story: settling in by Mrs. Jacks
clementine / 750 posts
Ugh, That NICU doctor is sure a piece of work. I wonder what he says to unacknowledged parents, it’s probably even worse.
pear / 1622 posts
I am not sure if I would have handled it as well as you did. You are so strong! So happy to know that he is home with you now!
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
I really don’t understand what was going on here with the doctor. I know I’ve never dealt with the NICU before, but my son has been in the PICU and I never had anyone not be willing to answer my questions or explain things to me. Why would anyone tell you to just “relax”? Is it because you are also a doctor? Or because you’re adopting? I don’t get it…
kiwi / 511 posts
Ugg that NICU doctor needs a refresher course in bedside manner, and doctors should remember especially when they treat babies and kids they treat the kid and the parents too.
I do understand where he says you need to be the parent and this is his expertise and to let go of control but only to a certain point. BUT he was so condescending “Look. This is totally routine. This happens all the time. You just don’t see it because you don’t work in a NICU. This. Is. Routine.” Yes it is ROUTINE to him, not to you or any other parent so gosh darn he should go buy some compassion.
I am sorry this ““We put a little tube in your baby’s belly button. This is to help give the medicines that your baby needs. We put a special tube in his throat that will help him breathe using a very special machine that gives tiny puffs of air 600 times a minute. We gave him a special medicine to help his lungs.”” Is only plain because he doesn’t use a lot of medical jargon but that is not plain in terms of actually allowing people to understand.
Why didn’t he simply say “the baby is on a ventilator to help him breath, and he has an IV (or tube) inserted via his belly button that is providing various medicines, such as X drug to help his lungs.”? <– that is plain and more reassuring most people understand the need for ventilators and IVs and that is far less scary.
If that doctor wants the parents to trust then he needs to communicate in a non condescending manner, yes he has far more medical knowledge but that doesn’t mean that his patient’s parents are idiots “special medicine” seriously what are you guys 2? I think that peeves me the most use the drug’s name for goodness sakes.
The mere act of you asking a question shouldn’t be an affront to him again it is where he could work to build trust. If he had already ruled out something then he could have easily said no I am not concerned about X because Y, or if he was concerned he could say, that is something that they are doing tests A, B and C for because it has not been ruled out but it isn’t likely due to 1, 2, 3.
Thankfully not all doctors are like that and reading this makes me so extremely grateful that the surgeon my son sees is absolutely brilliant (world class he has people from all over the world come to study with him) but he has the best bed side manner. I have no doubt that the man is genius at what he does but he NEVER makes me feel stupid or out of the loop with the treatment plan.
He tells us what is going on in actual plain terms rather than simple words strewn together that still mean nothing, he encourages questions. I have even asked a question that because I am not a medical person must have seemed quite stupid but he didn’t treat me as stupid at all. He actually answered my question, it was factual and didn’t go into a zillion details (I didn’t need the minute details just the big picture) but enough that it made the procedure much clearer in my mind.
You are an amazing woman and your strength is inspiring.
blogger / pear / 1964 posts
I wonder if this is a typical response to doctor-parents — or if this was just a weird one-off. Are you interactions with your regular ped anything like this?
blogger / cherry / 204 posts
I was incredibly frustrated with the doctors and staff throughout our NICU experience, Most other people with NICU experience always raved about their nurses and the care they received and I thought it must have just been our hospital. I was most definitely categorized as a “difficult parent” and I recall vividly the expressions and reactions from doctors whenever we asked for details or explanations beyond the lines they clearly repeated all day long to everyone. Since then I’ve grown deeply confused about the power medical professionals claim over our lives, as if being the parent is suddenly meaningless the moment your baby is assigned to the NICU, of course we deserve a level of control and at the least understanding over their situation! Good for you for persisting!
clementine / 950 posts
I’m so sorry for your little guy’s rough start!
The interaction with the NICU doctor is pretty interesting. I’m in medicine as well and here and there have patients who are doctors, and of course I’ve been a patient as well. While I’ve never had this abrasive of an encounter myself (that I’m aware of!), I do know that it can be hard to find the line of how much is appropriate to say. I do find that I tend towards the more simplified explanations.
Mostly this is because In a crisis like this, even someone with a lot of expertise will have trouble taking in what I’m saying, or even worse, will misunderstand something I say because of a lack of specific expertise in my specific field. But of course, if someone is really holding it together (as you were!) I can see how a simplified approach could feel condescending too. I guess the rule of thumb is always to just let the patient (or family) guide you, which obviously this fellow didn’t do.
It’s definitely something to think about! I’m looking forward to hearing more of your story!
apricot / 391 posts
@Mrs. Pom Pom: I wish there was a like (or LOVE) button for your comment. I felt this way when my son was in the NICU too. It was like he was their baby and I could have him whenever they darn well pleased.
grapefruit / 4800 posts
Im sorry you had to deal with difficult communication in an already difficult situation. We had a similar communication issue with my OB during lo1 birth. She refused to answer basic questions other than her canned speech and I always wondered what made her act like that. Since then I’ve thought about it a lot and have tried to balance this ‘bitches get stuff done’ persistence with making sure I show some deference to their expertise and make it clear I’m in no way trying to one up or compete. Been trying it with realtors, plumbers, doctors because I can’t just not be without info either. But it definitely rubs some people the wrong way but lots of compliments and some chit chat like you did seem to help. I guess I’ve embraced being a pita nowadays instead of being offended if someone perceives me that way and just try to make sure to flower them a bit to make up for it.
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Reading this, that NICU doctor is driving me nuts. I don’t know how you handled it so well. You’re a saint!
I’m a doc at an academic medical center and I take care of other physicians and nurses all the time around their births, and I of course have been a patient for my own pregnancy. If the medical folks want medical terminology, I use it, with a translation for the partner and other family. I’ve been lucky that all the docs I’ve interacted with as a patient and mother have done the same for me.
And I’ve learned that telling people to ‘relax’ always has the opposite effect!
cantaloupe / 6669 posts
I am so sorry. This sounds so horrible. Good for you for advocating for your baby!
clementine / 927 posts
Wow! What an experience! It’s so strange to me because my husband’s an anesthesiologist and our pediatrician and the staff at an ER we went to once seemed to give us extra special attention and time.
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
@kayakgirl73: I wondered about that. I saw only one interaction with another family (much less sick kid) and it was very much the same flavor.
@autumnleaves: trust me, I had my moments!
@Adira: the questions you ask are some of the questions I wonder about. I certainly wasn’t initially seen as a threat, as they thought I was a resident for some reason… And I didn’t see many other adopted NICU babies except for neonatal abstinence babies (drug withdrawal)… Nurses definitely treated those families differently.
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
@Mrs. Tricycle: oh my god no! My pediatrician and any other sub specialists we’ve ever seen have been so awesome!!! Always the right balance of medical stuff and mom support. My pediatrician one time had to talk me down from a minor freak out about leukemia (I asked whether she thought we should get a CBC and differential and smear for easy bruising and bony pain). She explained exactly why I was being silly in an elegant and non confrontational way. And I was so grateful.
pear / 1547 posts
@Mrs. Jacks: Oh my goodness, my heart aches for you! I think it’s always difficult having a doctor as a patient (and in my opinion, as a parent you are a patient too!) but this attending just seems so unprofessional. Even as a resident I was treated as almost a colleague when getting medical care or attending visits with my family (like when my mom had heart surgery) – I’ve had more of a problem with making sure they keep some of the plain language for the rest of the family involved. My OB for my pregnancy was fabulous in her shared decision making with me but keeping DH in the loop. I think having that “knowledge base” is why you need some of the facts so you can process and not spin a million directions that you know could be happening. I really hope he rotated of the schedule soon and you had someone with more respect!
persimmon / 1316 posts
Wow I am shocked at how that NICU doctor talked to you. I am a NICU RN and couldn’t imagine one of our doctors talking to a parent. Especially one who works in the medical field.. What a scary time for you. I’m sorry.
blogger / cherry / 247 posts
i can’t even imagine….
there have been times in my life when my training/background/expertise have been disqualified and due to circumstances (stress, emotion) i have gone along with it. i spent time after the fact beating myself up “why didn’t i do this or that, why did i allow this a-hole to talk to me like that” but of course that doesn’t help anything.
it sounds like you are more adept at handling conflict than i am even though at the time i am sure you did not feel that way.
pear / 1696 posts
OMG I cannot believe how you were treated, really. After things calmed down, I really I hope you made a complaint to the hospital about this. There is no reason for the neonatologist to withhold information, arrrgg! This makes me mad.
blogger / apricot / 310 posts
I’m so frustrated for you. As someone in education, I can’t imagine someone saying “don’t worry about teaching your kid to read – leave that to the experts. Just be a mom.” Not even the same extreme context as you have, but seriously- asking someone to put aside everything they know for no reason? I’m so irritated on your behalf. And in general.
pomegranate / 3225 posts
oh my gosh. Thank you for sharing so honestly. I never realized what you as a doctor might go through with a sick child!
pear / 1614 posts
You are amazing. Thanks again for sharing this story – and I’m blown away by your great communication with the NICU doc! I was getting frustrated just reading it, my blood would have been boiling if I had been in your shoes and I would NOT have had it together like you did.
pomegranate / 3127 posts
I’m sorry about your little boy’s rough start, hope it was only uphill from there! And sorry you ended up with such an unprofessional doctor. I mean, maybe he’s a good professional, but the communication skills… You’re very patient – as any good doctor should be! I don’t think I would have been able to respond politely if someone in a situation like that talked to me like I’m a toddler.
blogger / apricot / 378 posts
I’m so sorry you had to go through all of this. It sounds just absolutely awful. I’m so glad it all worked out in the end, though!
blogger / nectarine / 2600 posts
Im sorry you had such a poor experience in such a stressful time. I also wonder if this is the norm or maybe because you are a Dr too they felt it was stepping on their toes?
blogger / apricot / 367 posts
Thank you for sharing your story… Hope that your son is doing well now!
nectarine / 2028 posts
I just….I just don’t know what to say. I almost feel like he was making a ridiculous, humiliating point of trying to “put you in your place(??) as ‘just a mom'” while also belittling your husband and B by talking “down” to them! When the neonatologist came to talk to me in my hospital room while I was coming off all the meds, she used medical terms and then immediately ‘translated’ them. I had a horrible infection I was fighting off and had been through the wringer, yet she still spoke to me with respect as a non-physician by telling things exactly as they were. I am so sorry for you three that you had to endure this!
blogger / pomegranate / 3044 posts
+1 to this: “What I learned in those fifteen minutes is that when providers give long-winded bad news, no matter how simply they phrase it, that almost none of what they say is understood. ”
No one was willing to be direct with me about what happened to D for a long time, and I think that prolonged my acceptance of everything. Then again, hearing that at first would have been like getting hit by a truck… who knows what the best approach is!
I am so glad little Theo’s story has such a happy ending!
honeydew / 7295 posts
I want to punch tht doctor in his smug face!!! Ugh why do people have to make things about ego when a mother is just concerned for her baby. This is why I am particular about doctors and don’t give credence to all of them or defer to them unless it feels right. In the end they are human and capable of being wrong or sociopathic or egocentric as anyone else. In sorry you had to be out through that.
kiwi / 524 posts
Wow, this doctor needs to work on his communication skills.
I don’t know whether it was because I was perceived as educated (I’m a lawyer), but when I was in the hospital, the midwife, nurses, and OB explained everything to me in whatever level of detail I wanted. It was the same way when LO was hospitalized at 7 weeks (just an unexplained fever).
If someone had tried to tell me that they were going to give me or LO a “special medicine” and refused to tell me what it was, I would have FREAKED.
pomelo / 5866 posts
You are so brave in the face of adversity. It really takes a lot of inner strength to keep moving forward as well as reflect on the interactions.